So I'd like to find me a nice old plane on eBay, hopefully for $10 like Jeff
did
But I'm not sure if the corrugated sole is better than smooth or not.
Thoughts?
Mike
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| Author: | SniderMike [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:42 pm ] |
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So I'd like to find me a nice old plane on eBay, hopefully for $10 like Jeff did
But I'm not sure if the corrugated sole is better than smooth or not. Thoughts? Mike |
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| Author: | Michael Shaw [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:54 pm ] |
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From what I know and that's not much. Corrugated sole planes are used more for softwoods. So stick to flat bottom plane. Since you will be mainly using it on hardwoods. This is the answer I got from and older wood worker I used to know when I was younger. The only reason I remember this cause I asked the same question you are. |
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| Author: | SniderMike [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:01 pm ] |
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Thanks, Michael. I'm looking for a plane to join tops and backs, so I guess that would include softwoods and hardwoods! I'm thinking a #5 1/2, or 6. I also need a plane for thicknessing tops. What does everyone use for that? #4, #5? I'd think I'd want a corrugated sole for that purpose, right? I'm just not sure about the plane for jointing. Mike |
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| Author: | Michael Shaw [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:12 pm ] |
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A number 6 or 7 for joining tops and backs would be good. The longer the better for joining tops and backs. I would stick with a flatbase because I think a corrugated might cause some problems with such thin stock used for tops and bottoms. Just my opinon. I have a No 5 1/4 its a lighter version of a no 5 that was meant for students and women. Trust me it's good enough for a man. I picked it up new at a Stanley Hardware store they were closing down around 15 years ago. It perfect for thicknessing tops. I have seen them cheap on ebay. That or a no 5 would be perfect. I'm sure more people will chime in with some good points for you. |
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| Author: | Miketobey [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:36 pm ] |
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For many years my Dad's WWII era 5 1/4 was my only plane. I shot my first recent tops and backs with it. I did put a Hock iron in it.I've rarely seen anyone comment that they could really tell the working difference with corrugations.MT |
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| Author: | Robbie O'Brien [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:14 am ] |
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Mike, I use a jointer plane with a corrugated base for joining tops and backs. I bought it years ago for another purpose but it seems to work just fine in luthier as well. |
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| Author: | SniderMike [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:24 am ] |
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Thanks everyone! Todd, I've never heard of camelia oil. I'll have to check it out. I'll look into the 5 1/4 too. Robbie, do you know what number yours is? Mike |
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| Author: | Chas Freeborn [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:48 am ] |
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The theory behind corrugated sole planes is there is less surface area / friction, therefore more energy is put into cutting the wood rather than pushing the plane. I suppose this is true on big planes, wide planks (full width cuts) and long planing sessions (pre power tools) I own both types and haven't really noticed the difference in performance. If I had my preference for lutherie work (top, back jointing, etc) I'd say look for a smooth sole. Camelia oil: http://www.hidatool.com/woodpage/misc.html Or my preference for slippy sliding stuff: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000223UD/qid=1151077484/ sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-4834438-1450428?% 5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=228013 -C |
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| Author: | Michael McBroom [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:06 am ] |
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Welp, I heard another theory regarding the slotted sole planes. The claim is the slots relieve the sole's tendency to move as it cools down from the casting/forging process, allowing it to stay closer to dead flat, hence requiring less truing up after the piece has cooled. Recently I've begun using this old Stanley Bailey No.6 that I inherited from my Grandfather for shooting tops and backs. It actually works very well, and I haven't even trued the sole yet. 
Best, Michael |
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| Author: | Miketobey [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:34 am ] |
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Pretty much anything used with care and a sense of feel will joint thin stock when used with a decent shooting board. It can be done with a block plane with a consistent hand from experience-or really good luck. I posted a pic of my bare-bones shooting board a while back. For a really nice one go to Lie-Nielsen,under block planes look at the true miter plane and click on the Charlesworth design. The next one I do will follow that. Nowadays, I use a fully fettled 606 Bedrock with Hock iron and cap for most shooting. I do have the "Dreadnought" of planes, 608, but I rarely get out the chain hoist to use it.MT |
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| Author: | Michael Shaw [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:06 am ] |
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Mike hears a listing on ebay now for a 5,6 and 7 planes in one auction check it out.Ebay Planes |
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| Author: | Michael McBroom [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:16 am ] |
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Hey Todd, Interesting. I got out my loupe and examined the sole of the above plane. I see no tooling marks. But the slots might have been ground. Best, Michael |
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:51 am ] |
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[QUOTE=ToddStock] Chas: Thanks for the links! Camelia oil is the standard anti-rust/lube used by Japanese artisans. I also had a girlfriend that would use just a few drops in her hair after a shower, so very pleasant associations. ...and the oil is a plant extract in any case, so non-toxic assuming it's pure. [/QUOTE] ... like walnut dust and shavings, or poison ivy oil, or ... Todd, such notions! 
I use a 5 for jointing backs and sides. On my shooting board, which is about 24" or so long, I think I'd have trouble with a longer plane getting unwieldy. I really followed ebay for a while, picking up Stanleys - ended up with a 3, 4, 4C, 5, 5-1/4, 6 and 7. |
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| Author: | Miketobey [ Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:49 am ] |
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For a #6 on ebay- item # 102250434101 might be worth a watch. Don't know how to link,sorry. MT |
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| Author: | John Lewis [ Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:44 am ] |
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Mike- The corrugated sole isn't any more useful that a regular sole for most woodworking chores. I have a bunch of planes and don't notice a difference between the two types of soles. Save some money on Ebay and just get the regular soled Stanleys - most corrugated soled planes go for a bit of a premium. I personally use an old Stanley #4, an old Stanley #5 1/2 and new Anants #4 1/2 and #8. They all were cheap and work great after I tuned them up. I got the Stanleys on Ebay for less than $30 each and the Anants were from Highland Hardware. Good luck- |
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| Author: | SniderMike [ Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:21 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Michael Shaw] Mike hears a listing on ebay now for a 5,6 and 7 planes in one auction check it out.Bailey-Planes-Three-No-5-No-6-No -7_W0QQitemZ102250874499QQihZ010QQcategoryZ13874QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem">Ebay Planes[/QUOTE] Thanks Michael. I wish I'd seen that one earlier! I just won a #6 (smooth bottom), and am winning on another #6 (corrugated) because I got a little confused with all the others I'm watching It's actually this one that Mike suggested,
now that I look at it! [QUOTE=Miketobey] For a #6 on ebay- item # 102250434101 might be worth a watch. Don't know how to link,sorry. MT[/QUOTE] Thanks guys! Mike |
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| Author: | Michael McBroom [ Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:03 am ] |
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Mike, that one's a dead ringer for mine. Works great! I think you'll be quite happy with it. Best, Michael |
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